that's a big sticking point. there are things called triggers which would -- you know, if people walked away from these committees, they're supposed to find more savings, without getting too into those details, there are sticking points, but there are ongoing discussions about getting to something before tuesday. those are involved -- some of the members of the gang of six are involved in those discussions. scenario durbin of illinois, senator chambliss, others are involved, and so are the senate minority leader and majority leader. i don't think we'll see -- if we see this projection in the senate tonight -- rejection in the senate tonight, i don't think we'll see anymore tonight. hopefully over the weekend they cobble something together. >> this is one of the arguments that john boehner is making right now. this is why this needs to pass. if this doesn't pass we're not in the conversation anymore. we are silent. if this passes, then you can imagine some kind of a compromise along the lines of what a.b. is talki